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Vlad Added Troutdale/Springdale by Dabney, Troutdale, Oregon to favorites
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Here is our contact for now. I’ve been exchanging emails with Terra since yesterday, regarding spring water closure.
Please email her as well.Terra Lingley (she/her – why pronouns?)
Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area Coordinator
Oregon Department of Transportation/Region 1
123 NW Flanders Street
Portland, Oregon 97209
cell: 503-351-0420
terra.m.lingley@odot.oregon.gov <- New Email-
Thanks Vlad & Max, Is emailing Terra the best way to get info about the closure and / or what it will take to re-open the spring? Please keep me in the loop about this.
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Sadly, for now, she is the only one that knows the area and reasons our favourite spring was shutdown. She did suggest a Lewis and Clark park nearby with a well water fountain a 100 feet away from the parking lot. Obviously thousands of people visiting Dubney won’t be purchasing carts to wheel their water jugs through the park filled with families and homeless people. Plus, it’s well water fountain near the bathroom.
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Per Terra
Hi Max,
Your Ask ODOT email was forwarded to me.
The water spigot is entirely within the Lewis and Clark State Recreation Site, and is about 100 feet from the parking lot – there is a paved path so you could use a rolling cart if you’re filling multiple jugs.
I have highlighted the approximate location of the spigot and the path from the parking area on the google map below.
The water available at Lewis and Clark is different from the radiator fill station near Dabney – it is well water that is treated and tested to ensure it’s potable.
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Thank you for your initiative and time Max!
Very valuable first queries.
My questions: Did Terra tell you why the spring was closed / destroyed? My first guess is that it may have presented a traffic hazard for some spring visitors and passersby who were not parking / driving carefully…?
Any ideas for next steps to scale up our complaints with more community voices (e.g. Columbia Gorge watchdog groups, city councils or legal counsel) to higher powers (would that be ODOT, the city of Troutdale or Springdale, etc.)?
I’ll be investigating and reaching out more to interested persons / parties as I can. I’ll let you know what I find.
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Here is an email from Winnie:
Hello Max,
Thank you for contacting Ask ODOT at the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT).ODOT and the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department (OPRD) have decommissioned the reservoir overflow pipe along the Historic Columbia River Highway near Dabney State Recreation Area because of increasing road safety concerns at the site.
The area has become a danger with motorists stopping, often partially blocking the travel lane, to fill water jugs. The drainage ditch is often blocked by illegal dumping of material and damaged by vehicle traffic, which causes water to overflow onto the highway and creates dangerous driving conditions.
ODOT and OPRD posted signs and shared the pending plan with the Northeast Multnomah County Community Association before decommissioning the overflow, which is located along the north side of the Historic Columbia River Highway near Dabney State Recreation Area, east of the Stark Street Bridge.
The pipe originally supplied water to cool car radiators at the time of the Historic Highway’s construction over 100 years ago and was one of a handful of similar water access points, most of which have already been decommissioned. The water that supplies the pipe was not intended as drinking water.
ODOT and OPRD will evaluate the feasibility of creating safer access in the future.ODOT has already seen crashes at the site and is taking this step to help ensure there are no more.
The nearest publicly available free water can be found 3.2 miles north along the Historic Columbia River Highway at Lewis and Clark State Recreation Site.Sincerely,
Winnie, [she/her]
Ask ODOT Team Lead
1-888-275-6368 x6-
There is got to be a way to reopen our spring. Yes it’ll take some money, time and effort…but it’s a necessity, the way I see it. Your assistance is appreciated as well! It’ll take all of us to legally make that water flow once again!
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Thank you Max, This was a helpful email. What do you think about posting Winnie’s email to the comments on this Find A Spring site, so that others will know what happened?
It looks like to recommission the over 100 year old Dabney radiator cooler spring, we will have to work with ODOT and OPRD. The Northeast Multnomah County Community Association may also be helpful to contact regarding their recommendations. Reaching out more broadly to the community of fellow Dabney spring drinkers may offer further support.It could also be interesting to learn more about the history and fate of the handful of other such decommissioned water access points Winnie mentioned. It makes me wonder if there are other possible spring fonts in the area that could be used as public spring founts. According to Terra, the Lewis & Clark fountain sounds like it’s treated with disinfectant, perhaps chlorine, chloramines, etc. Was that your impression?
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Lewis and clark is a joke it is city water i think.this was not just for radiators dont buy it” if it was they would just pipe any fountain or river’ I found 1930 archive of HWY 26 fountain that of it helped built it states it was for radiator use but mostly for drinking as it w designed by engeenering to make it crip and pure and filters’ by Rocks and walls of pebbles” it is so clean that It can resurrection anyone back to life of drinking dead city water” as I would get water and drink i would feel instant health beneifts of better feeling and health and less peeing” join my telegram group I just made on this water Troutdalewaterrights” search that I posted updates, it is a must see
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Once Terra is back, we’ve got to figure out who is in charge of the area. Then, we’d need to request their historical sources for the area. Last but not least, start gathering a long list of folks wanting to reopen Dubney water source.
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That’s what I tried i put a telegram group to gather names and not one person join” most people that stopped there it dabney are SLAVIK and easily give up, I am not like that, water running now but it is not safe to drink as it used to god from main house sealed shut going out to 2nd house keeping water main house pure it being opened for few days and pipe in floor and too being opened to contaminate, water I tried it taste like 30- 40 % less of what it uses to and is got really weird feeling in my throat even after tryinf 3 different tome just a gargle then a sip then I boiled it taste great i drinked half cup and felt weird feeling again I cant even explain very strange and unpleasant” I starting thing maybe city threw something and it” were Are the signs that they said where there i came right after they left, and not sign” and the radiator was a 2nd usage back then it was made pure enough to drink” max if u join my group I would like to five you the official archive of spring water development you can send to winnie so she know it was not only a radiator water” it is magazine from 1930 about why 26 water that of it helped also to develope” if it was just car water it would of never been made to be really safe and pure” This ancient Egypt method they used is better then any chlorine treatments they use on recycled gross water, People take shower pass in it spit bloody mouth after brushing down drain they filter it and bring that back to ur house to drink” These treatments are not 100% not even 90/)% May God provide a way for this, if this is about parking tell city to put boulder not on water resources but parking spots and let people hike that are committed, Seeing troutdale water roll up I know this is about money also” if someone can help me put some of those two boulder they have here and block the parking spot, and let people hike from 2nd waiting spot 200 feet away. It is much sager spot” we need have city lower speed limit” if there was a hearing they did not post it on the water or odot site or facebook they just robbed the people. And this is happening with food chicken farms Archives.com burning and and cows ranches it is in numbers never seen it is not climate change it is war on humanity by elite used by the devil himself, if we don’t do something all other waters will go away just as fast, And then city wster until we drinking rivers” TG group i name TROUTDALEWATERRIGHTS IF U SEARCH U WILL FIND ME
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Join my TG group i need share with u old 1930 water in oregoanian or somethig that states it is not for Radiators only she needs to be Objected on that” and they could of closed parking not the water” @troutdalewaterrights..
After water being restored for 2 almost days they shut it off again. I know a way but they will keep shutting it off so legal way is the only way. That commission they spoke to who are they , do they have authority and power just to make this happened this something so importanr it should be on a hearing where everyone from water can be invited and and posted on there websites before hand this is was mafia hit” no way to object and cruel ” Why won’t they throw those stones on parking spot if parking is the problem” obviously parking is a excuse .
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join my telegram group i just made after water being restored by Vladimir The Great, TroutdaleSpringWater On telegramm, Water is flowing but I would Boil as it got touched by ground water when they cut pipes and dust flew in to iron barell” it don’t taste the same, I just came back” I live close by, join my group, to more easily discus this issue. this was of it doing dirty work for coty troutdale water they have been stopping by, also yes I apolagize on behalf of all SLAVIK that did not learn how to park safely and park like idiots, I have seen it every time almost that I got so idiot passing white line or 2nd car parking behind and out on the road, I yelled at one moron, when he parked behind me with me having kids in car, and he had little chiren to, He is ignorant that he said what u getting allot of water or something” like accidents cant happens if in filling one water bottle, TroutdaleSpringWater Group on TG join i made videos and photos of what it looks like now” and it was made for radiators and drinking also that lady is a liar. Or not know, I found in Archives.com 1930 article on HWY 26 sprin water which Odot helped to build” it was for drinking mostly ad they had to make it as clean safe as possible it shows how they designed it,
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Tg group is called TroutdaleWaterRights
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