We have been using the Bay Tree Spring for 5 years. We had the water tested in the spring of 2008 and it tested positive for coliform. We boiled, but this altered the great taste of the water. We tested again in November 2008. And it passed. When we saw the everything short of a “skull and crossbones” warning on April 21st, we built an ozone generation system. It is great.
But now the US Forest Service has interim “capped” the spring to prevent usage. State DHS has driven this policy.
'Met with US Forest Service yesterday. They want the spring open. But those pesky recurring coliform. We proposed real-time ozone treatment of this water, solar powered.
The domain: http://www.friendsofbaytreespring.org was procured yesterday. Now we need to put content up. Build the support and activist community and get this valuable resource reopened. HELP?
Is the spring closed. I drove up today 5/26/18. Looks like its been closed for awhile. Long drive from San Diego to come back with no water. Anybody have a status update????
Just moved into the area. Wanted to see if there any updates on this spring. Website says it’s closed but comments say otherwise. Also any updates on bacteria issue?
Went to BayTreeSping in May 2014, easy to find on the side of the road, and flowing even in this drought. There are no spring box that are in proper working order and any spouts are long gone. Not sure about the source, hiked up a bit and could not find the source but did drink some water and tasted clean. Would want to do a testing before I filled up bottles.
Thank you for this insightful video! I would do some work and contribute some money to resurrect this treasure “Earth First” style.
This is a tragic loss for spring water lovers. More blind bureaucratic blundering. We used this water for years. The first time we saw this spring, we found a man that said he previously worked for Riverside County and the water always tested fine. But, do to budget cuts they no longer tested and put up the sign saying “Boil before use.”
After a couple of octogenarians, that carried themselves like college professors, told us that we should be careful because the water sometimes got “bugs.”
We tested the water and found coliform. We tested again six months later to quantify and speciate the coliform. None was detected.
I wrote to the USFS proposing an in-situ solar powered ozonation system. My stick drawing and rough cost estimate fell on deaf ears.
Looking at this video, the upper spring box could well be the source of the contamination.
I’m truly sorry that my duties as my 97 year young mother’s Conservator has preempted my full engagement in this ridiculous fight against this overreach by the USFS.
I just heard from the folks at Pure Joy Town that the spring is flowing again!! Life-giving water is flowing through the landscape again – you just can’t stop what IS.
Requested the re-opening of Bay tree spring. Here is the response from the forest service.
Thank
you for your December 29, 2011 email concerning Bay Tree Spring.
In
2010, the Bay Tree Spring, man-made water system was decommissioned (dismantled and sealed) and the spring waters allowed to take
their own natural course.
In
the interest of public health and safety, I decided to proceed with the decommissioning
project and restore Bay Tree Spring to its natural condition. The water pipe at Bay Tree Spring lead the
public to believe the water may be quality drinking water, when, in fact, it
was not.
The water at Bay Tree Springs tested
positive for coliform on a regular basis, and did not meet California State
Environmental Protection Agency (Cal/EPA) standards for safe drinking
water. Forest Service direction for
unprotected/untreated water sources is that the site must be kept in an
undeveloped condition, in its natural state. (FSM 7421.12). To restore Bay Tree Spring to its natural
condition, the existing pipe was removed to allow the seasonal water flow to
follow its natural path.
There were further safety concerns for
the motoring and pedestrian public near the Bay Tree Spring area due to unsafe
parking near a blind curve on State Highway 243
We appreciate your comments and thank you
for your interest.
Yea fuck this , its our planet , thats human rights violation ! Why did they shut it down! ? hit me up on facebook and im down to protest ! I want some structured fucking water!!!
Drinking pure spring water is one of the most important things we can do for our health. Our bodies are over 99% water at the molecular level, so water affects every aspect of our biology. Yet, not all water is created equal. Almost all the bottled spring water available is pasteurized for shelf stability, which neutralizes many of the powerful health benefits such as increased hydrogen, healthy probiotics, and crystalline structure. For more about why unprocessed spring water is the best water to drink, read this.
The best way to guarantee you are getting real unprocessed spring water is to collect it yourself. This is a short and simple guide filled with information about how to gather spring water. We will cover how to find a spring, how to collect the water, how to honor the spring, how to store the water properly and other tips.
FindASpring.org is the best resource for locating a spring near you. However, not all springs are on the map. First, check the map to see if there is a spring in your local area. If there is, look at the reviews and comments. Has anyone shared helpful information about flow rate or posted a water test result? Is the spring in a pristine area? Do a bit of research and make sure the spring is safe to drink from. If you have any doubt about the purity, don’t risk it and get a water test, HERE. If you don’t see a spring on the map in your area, there still might be some that aren’t listed yet. First, ask the older generation who have lived in your area a long time if they know. You can also ask people in your community who might already get spring water such as people at a health food store or at a farmers market. Another great option is to view A US forest service map, where many springs have been marked. You can view these maps through the Gaia GPS or All Trails hiking apps on your phone. The map overlay you want is USGS Topo. Not all are easily accessible or ideal for drinking, but some are and it can be a fun adventure to find them. We have found over half a dozen great springs this way.
Once you’ve found your spring, figure out how you are going to gather the water. Is it right on the side of the road and easy to access or do you have to hike to it? We recommend storing spring water in glass instead of plastic to preserve the purity of the water. It is better for the environment, your body, and the water. Even BPA free plastic has toxic chemicals that can leach into water and cause health issues. If you do want to use plastic for safety reasons when filling at the spring, we recommend transferring the water to glass as soon as possible. FindASpring is sponsored by Alive Waters, which offers beautiful reusable glass. They have a 2.5 gallon option, which is a convenient size for carrying that isn’t too heavy. They also sell handles that you can use to transport the jugs even more easily. If you have to hike to access the spring, we recommend putting the water jugs into an extra large backpack to hike the water out with ease. We use Osprey packs that hold 2 jugs each. You can also use a wheelbarrow or even a stroller depending on how easy a walk it is.
Filling 2.5 Gallon Alive Waters Jug
When you get to the spring, remember to first give back before you take. Springs are considered sacred in indigenous cultures around the world for their life giving water and also as a connection to the inner earth. A powerful and simple way to give back is to clean up. Is there any trash that needs to be collected? Could you move any dead leaves or sticks to improve the flow rate? Show up in service. Some other wonderful ways to give is with a moment of expressing verbal gratitude, singing songs to the water, offering the water an ethically sourced crystal, a feather, or some other physical gift. Flowers are a popular and beautiful thing to offer, but please be careful to source organic ones as most flowers from the store are sprayed with pesticides and can be toxic to put near a spring. Also, flowers can attract bugs as they decay, so it can be best to offer them to the flowing water directly or a little downstream from the spring head.
When gathering the water, fill the jug as close to the spring head as possible, never gather downstream. Be very careful as wet glass is extremely slippery. Make sure the lid is securely fastened. When transporting the spring water home, the jugs can sometimes slide around the car. Secure them in place or wrap them with towels or something so they don’t crash into each other.
How you store your spring water is essential. It is not pasteurized like spring water from the store, so it will start growing algae if left in direct sunlight. This is good because it means it’s alive! If the water you drink can’t even support the most basic life forms, how do you think it will support your body? Store your water in a cool, dark place such as a dark corner, pantry or closet. The fridge is ideal if you have room. Some people prefer to filter their water through a Berkey filter before drinking, but if the spring is pure, it’s not necessary. We drink our spring water completely unfiltered.
How long the water stays good for depends on how cold a temperature it’s stored at. Spring water is best fresh. We personally do not prefer to drink spring water past 2 weeks old. However, we know other people that will drink it at a month old. It’s great to get in a rhythm where you know how long the water lasts you and put your collection day on the calendar in advance.
I believe that water is calling us to reconnect with her in the deepest way, to gather our own water. Just like our ancestors did. Our ancestors didn’t have fancy water machines. They also didn’t create villages or settle where there was no water. Water was revered as the center of the community and the nodal point around which life could spiral out and take root.
Here’s to restoring the sacred connection with the waters of life.
Written by Dakota Chanel. Water Priestess and Ceremonialist. DakotaChanel.com
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This spring needs to re-open. That is public land and a public spring.
SAVE THE BAY TREE SPRING!
We have been using the Bay Tree Spring for 5 years. We had the water tested in the spring of 2008 and it tested positive for coliform. We boiled, but this altered the great taste of the water. We tested again in November 2008. And it passed. When we saw the everything short of a “skull and crossbones” warning on April 21st, we built an ozone generation system. It is great.
But now the US Forest Service has interim “capped” the spring to prevent usage. State DHS has driven this policy.
'Met with US Forest Service yesterday. They want the spring open. But those pesky recurring coliform. We proposed real-time ozone treatment of this water, solar powered.
The domain: http://www.friendsofbaytreespring.org was procured yesterday. Now we need to put content up. Build the support and activist community and get this valuable resource reopened. HELP?
Joe
310-570-3896
Is the spring closed. I drove up today 5/26/18. Looks like its been closed for awhile. Long drive from San Diego to come back with no water. Anybody have a status update????
Just moved into the area. Wanted to see if there any updates on this spring. Website says it’s closed but comments say otherwise. Also any updates on bacteria issue?
Is it open?
update??
Went to BayTreeSping in May 2014, easy to find on the side of the road, and flowing even in this drought. There are no spring box that are in proper working order and any spouts are long gone. Not sure about the source, hiked up a bit and could not find the source but did drink some water and tasted clean. Would want to do a testing before I filled up bottles.
Thank you for this insightful video! I would do some work and contribute some money to resurrect this treasure “Earth First” style.
This is a tragic loss for spring water lovers. More blind bureaucratic blundering. We used this water for years. The first time we saw this spring, we found a man that said he previously worked for Riverside County and the water always tested fine. But, do to budget cuts they no longer tested and put up the sign saying “Boil before use.”
After a couple of octogenarians, that carried themselves like college professors, told us that we should be careful because the water sometimes got “bugs.”
We tested the water and found coliform. We tested again six months later to quantify and speciate the coliform. None was detected.
I wrote to the USFS proposing an in-situ solar powered ozonation system. My stick drawing and rough cost estimate fell on deaf ears.
Looking at this video, the upper spring box could well be the source of the contamination.
I’m truly sorry that my duties as my 97 year young mother’s Conservator has preempted my full engagement in this ridiculous fight against this overreach by the USFS.
this spring…is still…ALIVE!!!! 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhQgtQfZXvc&feature=plcp
I just heard from the folks at Pure Joy Town that the spring is flowing again!! Life-giving water is flowing through the landscape again – you just can’t stop what IS.
Requested the re-opening of Bay tree spring. Here is the response from the forest service.
Thank
you for your December 29, 2011 email concerning Bay Tree Spring.
In
2010, the Bay Tree Spring, man-made water system was decommissioned (dismantled and sealed) and the spring waters allowed to take
their own natural course.
In
the interest of public health and safety, I decided to proceed with the decommissioning
project and restore Bay Tree Spring to its natural condition. The water pipe at Bay Tree Spring lead the
public to believe the water may be quality drinking water, when, in fact, it
was not.
The water at Bay Tree Springs tested
positive for coliform on a regular basis, and did not meet California State
Environmental Protection Agency (Cal/EPA) standards for safe drinking
water. Forest Service direction for
unprotected/untreated water sources is that the site must be kept in an
undeveloped condition, in its natural state. (FSM 7421.12). To restore Bay Tree Spring to its natural
condition, the existing pipe was removed to allow the seasonal water flow to
follow its natural path.
There were further safety concerns for
the motoring and pedestrian public near the Bay Tree Spring area due to unsafe
parking near a blind curve on State Highway 243
We appreciate your comments and thank you
for your interest.
Sincerely,
/s/ Laurie Rosenthal
Laurie
Rosenthal
San
Jacinto District Ranger
Yea fuck this , its our planet , thats human rights violation ! Why did they shut it down! ? hit me up on facebook and im down to protest ! I want some structured fucking water!!!